Why still so many architects don't accept technology (example using iPad instead of paper blueprints) on the construction site?


"I have nothing to do with AproPLAN"

A picture is worth 1,000 words.
curtkram, this is called Forum Marketing. That she doesn't spell it out is intentional, it's supposed to be stealthy and viral. But it was self-betrayed in so many ways that it makes me wonder how anyone could possibly miss it.
She a self-described "marketing specialist" (LOL), her architectage people page is all about her company's products (for iPad & iPhone!), her only participation here is this very thread (which she started), etc., etc., etc.

Is your marketing strategy to force it onto people and the profession? You don't seem to understand the profession or the people in the profession. How about you step back and do some research and get their input first instead of being a pushy, annoying car dealer or a telemarketer?

no, poop876, I like to listen people, even very stubborn and thinking their truth is the only one.

Miles, the effect, that your site was done by two-left handed person and doesnt work properly on laptop not proving that iPad is bad. In the opposite, with today's technology I can write your portfolio site responsive to laptop or ios device in one hour myself.
You want to protect environment, well, digitalisation of books and everything printed - it's the first efficient step.

Alfiya - As if server farms and client computers didn't require terawatts of electrical power to run. You are also apparently ignorant of the manufacturing processes that produce these devices and the environmental problems that both their creation and disposal entail. You really should make a better attempt to educate yourself.
FYI, most of the books I read comes from the local library. They have a one-time cost to produce and are recyclable.
If you'd care to make my site work better I'd be happy to pay you to do it. Maybe you should be a web designer. You are certainly lacking in salesmanship skills.
If you want me to care about your opinion, you first have to earn my respect. Good luck with that.

"even very stubborn and thinking their truth is the only one"
not ONCE did you stand back and listen to others but are forcing your way onto others. Good luck in your career as a failed sales person.

"I can write your portfolio site responsive to laptop or ios device in one hour myself."
Says the person whose personal website is not responsive...

in general Ipad isn't a user friendly device

Miles, I'm not comparing the environmental damage caused by manufacturing electronic device and a book. It's obviously ridiculous. The electronic device is multifuctional, it serves to check my mails, control my house lightning, send signal to my car to warm up in the morning, and yes, I read industry books on it. And you wont believe it but I have a huge real library at home that I fill with the books I'll read and re-read to my kids. I'm afraid that in spite the fact that many books are recyclable, in the countries where they mostly printed they still prefer to cut new trees :( Many of the "trendy" books and magazines will still end up in the garbage. I prefer that they end up in my digital bin.
Concerning your site, it's was personal and friendly advice, when I see a business website outdated or badly done it strikes me with a thought like if you dont care whether you are properly dressed up to meet your client. Again, in the digital metaphor. Like before to be fashionable, you would have to splash on Versace, nowadays with Zara outfit and pair of Frattelli Rossetti shoes you look chic. Same with websites, you can just go fine with Joomla or WP to build up portfolio. And now, I dont see my career as webdesigner :) It's much fun to talk to your, guys.

Hey Alfiya, if you'd done some research you'd know Adobe already makes an app you can use to mark up sets and chase changes electronically. It's called Acrobat and they even offer cloud storage too.

Hey Apurimac, I have done my homework already. A lot of companies do apps for construction follow up.

Stop feeding the troll and maybe it will go away.

Oh, but Miles, I'm having fun! It's almost like Per is back.

Slow day, Apurimac? You could always learn a couple new words and call yourself a marketing consultant. Or maybe put up a WordPress template site call yourself a web designer.
Is there anyone left that doesn't get it yet (aside from Alfiya)?

other than cricizing miles's website, which was unecesary and off-topic, what has alfiya done to be considered a troll? wouldn't miles's comments about freshness or absorbancy be more trollish?
she hasn't been pimping her software on this thread as far as i can see. i'm guessing you guys assumed that from looking at her profile and probably internet stalking her right? what's wrong with creating software to compete with adobe reader anyway? are you suggesting her company should not create a competing software platform because adobe rules all and you favor software monopolies or cartels? nothing can be done to improved adobe reader, even though they've opened the pdf format?
quit trolling and get over your fear of technology. the world is going to change with you or without.

No fear of technology here, curtkram. You sound like Alfiya.
Read some of the promotional statements for this software. It's presented as if you are a crippled neanderthal and it will solve all you problems. I've been around long enough and have tried enough of these things to know that marketing promises are empty and that their purpose is not to "help" you. I've also seen, understand and reject the results of technology for technology's sake.

what i was suggesting miles, is that she is not promoting that software on this specific thread. she was only asking about tablet use on job sites. you chose to derail the thread as an attack on the company she works for, which is off-topic and trolling.
i did not read her company's marketing material and could care less about what they produce. if you want to create another thread about how AproPLAN is not good software, then your attacks would be closer to on-topic. except the ones comparing an i-pad to feminine hygiene products; while possibly amusing to some and useful in that sense, those comments are not particularly relevant to any other topic.

Slow day yourself Miles? There was just so much trolling in this thread I decided to jump in.
Being super serious though, I never got the impression the OP was a deliberate troll (just like our beloved Per Correll, who you'd remember if you were around back in '05). It was the OPs amusing and belligerent way of defending the Ipad that I found warrented comment. Trolly threads like this one are what I miss about the old architectage.
Construction is usually too messy in every concieveable way to warrant strict reliance on any kind of computer. This has been expressed in every possible way in this thread already and the OP still won't stop.

Way slow, sitting in the waiting room at the Toyota dealer for a third time repair of faulty airbags. No wonder I don't trust technology.
On my iPad, no less. LOL

LOL, you may have just won the thread with that last comment Miles.

Pff, Miles. Your airbags can save your life one day - revelation! How old is your car? Maybe it's time to change it? I just love my little Toyota pimped with technology. (Now bite me for promoting Toyota cars). By the way, I love Belgian chocolate - Marcolini in particular, Belgian beer - Leffe is so chilling Friday evening aaaand Belgian clothes designers: Bellerose and Diane Von Furstenberg.
Thank you for noticing, curtkram, that I was not promoting anything from the client I'm working for. I was asking "Why Miles has a bad experience with badly and quickly developed technology and doesnt want to believe anymore?" Hm. Looks like bad love experience :( Ooh, year, St-Valentine day just has passed. Oh, St-Valentine is also marketing evil, stop celebrating it! It makes you spend money impulsively and last-minute. Noooo, we are too old and wise for that.
Miles, stop mocking on my web designer skills, I did great sites for friends and clients, this is one of them: www.lopearls.com
I have nothing to do with AproPLAN design, and I dont force this client to change it because they already payed stupidly huge amount of money for creating this site by bad designer. Maybe it was your case, Miles too?
Used wisely, technology could be your best friend. Many construction companies have adopted it in a smart way.
What I'm trying to figure out, apart being scared that:
1.all your actions could be traced by client and could end-up in endless remarks (your opinion)
2. viewing plans on small digital device instead of huge paper plans not practical for you because it's still too small or you dont have enough visibility in a big group
3. ipad is a fragile device on the jobsite
4. ipad is a costly device to invest
5. your eyes are tired from using too much devices
6. no app could beat Adobe
there is no other arguments (that I can contre-argue) you can give to me from preventing using tablet on the construction site.

Is it difficult to learn a new program, or app that they stumbled are expensive, or they dont have appropriate tutorials, or it's something else?
Any thoughts?

This is a bit flippant, but: I like physical objects. That a lot of why I became an architect.

When I pick up a roll of drawings that says Smith House, I know what's in it. Grab and run. Same with a file.
When I get to a site with a tablet and realize that neither I nor anyone else copied the Smith file from the server to the device or Dropbox or sent it via email, all I've got is a pretty thing on which to write notes until I can get back to my office for the drawings and files.
Also being flippant. Sort of.
A tablet can be useful. So far, though, it's just a different way to do similar things. When what it offers is both transformational and indispensable, we'll get on board.

there is no reason you can't get files from your server onto your tablet through a remote connection. i do it on my phone (i don't have a tablet). i suggest webdav. 21st century people.

In the OP's example - iPad vs. drawings on-site - the iPad screen is just too small and the device is just too fragile to be of much use on a construction site. Paper is cheap and disposable. You don't have to worry about getting it dirty, and it doesn't cost you hundreds of dollars if it accidentally gets wet or bent up. Paper may be an old technology, but it is highly refined.
Also, having to look at everything through a tiny screen is tunnel-vision inducing.
As Norm Abram will tell you: use the right tool for the job.

iPad's dimensions: 9in x 7in. What do you expect to see with those tiny dimensions? Even the details wouldn't fit in there.

Paper plans are 36x24.
Tablet is 8x7
Fun times on site I am sure. Might work for small tenant finish out spaces less than 1500 sq. ft.

Most promising tool available to make this happen try their damnest to lock you into a contract with proprietary technologies. Paper printout is still open source.

this little gadget will fix small screen size sometime soon:
expensive and proprietary. everything we look for in technology. maybe not that useful, but pretty cool nonetheless and cool is what architects do.
by the way, you guys know it's possible to zoom with a tablet right? it's close to the size of a regular sheet of paper, so equivalent to taking notes. except, you can pan and zoom your notebook and have a pdf background to draw/write over. pdf is an open format. adobe doesn't control it the way they used to, so proprietary formats aren't that big of deal. it's not the solution to everything everywhere, and it isn't going to build the building for you, but it does have a place for those that may want to communicate something.

We use iPads in the field more than drawings. Heck, most contractors use tablets now. Yes, you can zoom for detail...you can dimension on screen...and make markups that aren't unreadable as your drawing is being blown around the jobsite.
I look forward to the day where we can turn in digital models to the permit office and be done with paper all together.

Save paper. use i-pad. then pour 100000 tons of concrete. go green! lmfao

hey if we can just save one tree, then we have an obligation to try it

True but I Hate green washing. I Love green.
I once knew this fat guy that ate mc'donalds everyday for lunch...he always got a diet soda with his meal. (not a diabetic) He just felt better about himself for it. Maybe this little psychological easing allowed him to continue eating his big mac meals until he finally dropped dead of a heart attack. Point is, green washing will kill us all !!!

I don't understand how it would really be possible to work exclusively off ipads. They're great for getting changes out quick to CMs, but then again so are smartphones. To really describe a building with current methods requires big sheets of paper that people can read, share, and comment on without have to worry about firmware version, OS compatiblity, or other tech related BS.

I also love physical things, that is why still reading paper books on my couch with hot chocolate and marshmallows. But it's because it's sort of emotional attachment to the whole "my time-don't disturb me" experience.
At work, it's different. It should be quick, effective and low-cost. Already printing plans everytime is costly and not eco, just going through what has been done, what was wrong and what has to be done and who is in charge and when he/she should submit corrections has to be done digitally.
Sometimes, I hear "yeah, but I have to take all my notes on the site, than back to the office I need to put them into mail, than look for photos, oh, it's a hell" no! just get use to take notes on your iPad and send them together with photos and plans with drawn modifications on the site to all concerned people! Why bother more??

What is also "eco" is resting your eyes from time to time. Ipad doesn't use e-ink like Kindle and when you look at the screen for long periods of time you get eye strain. You already spend at least 8 hours a day looking at the computer screen. Sometimes it is good to take a break and just look at a paper. That's how people read writings/drawings for hundreds of years so they're used to it. iPad is definitely not suitable for architecture/construction work. Someone needs to come up with a bigger at least 15-20" e-ink screen.

The purpose of iPas is mobility, why do you think they came up with iPad mini? and not iPad maxi? :)
When you are on the construction site, in the dirt and concrete, you really honestly have fun with huge paper blanket? :))

"When you are on the construction site, in the dirt and concrete, you really honestly have fun with huge paper blanket? :))"
Paper can get re-printed. Watch when an iPad gets dropped on the floor, gets dust inside and bites the dust. :)))))

I think it's not a lack of general acceptance or whats "fun" or not, it just depends on what situation you are really in.
What the others already said...
It's one thing walking around on site with my client and discussing the progress with the aid of a tablet. Or having a meeting in the site office and talking to the client/contractor/fellow engineer etc. We all use a mix of devices and paper plans/files there I guess.
But when I'm actually on site -"in the dirt and concrete" - talking to bricklayers/roofers/drywall builders/.... we normally chat about stuff with the aid of THEIR own copies of paper plans. Which are often full with comments. I'd rather look at those huge plans pinned to some wall than to pinch the hell out of some tablet with ten impatient building workers standing around. :)

I'll take it you are in the App business.....

i don't think this counts as stealth marketing. the first time "AproPLAN" appeared in this thread is when I mentioned it. she is involved in a dialogue, not a one-way advertisement on this site. just because her job involves marketing doesn't mean she shouldn't have a public voice or that she should be shunned from this community. i'm sure there are lots of people on this site who produce work i don't care for.
obviously she understands you don't like her company's software as you were clear on that point. perhaps this dialogue can help the company she works for or another company develop a platform that is more suitable to our industries needs.
i would also point out that, in the spirit of multi-party dialogue, i disagree with your comments regarding the use of tablets in our profession. my opinion is closer to that of alifiya's in that the hardware mentioned could be used in a way beneficial to our profession. that does not mean i'm going to support her company's software. quite the opposite; i'm still pissed off that the belgians bought budweiser.

curtkram, and you "mentioned" afroplan because ... it's all over her ID page. That's how stealth marketing works. You make the victim think he discovered it. LOL
As for Belgians, even the French think they are snobs.

I don't think that architects, in general, are unwilling to use IPads at construction sites. It is a matter of practicality. I have an idea(its outlandish and probably isn't realistic), but here it is. Use a vehicle that can transport an architecture office to a construction site containing the following(a monitor: 55" flat screen and convert it to have touch screen capabilities of the IPad, a plotter for printing construction documents, and a 3d printer for creating models). The thought was if any changes that need to be made, can be made during the design and construction process, quickly. Again, its outlandish and probably unrealistic, but I thought I just throw it out there.

Alfiya is hot

Miles, you made from me machiavellic figure and I take it for compliment. But who asked you to go and demystify my profile? To make you grumble some more, I added some bio, you can go and critic it as well. By the way, my profile picture is real, I was and still hot model. Now, you can go and explose completely.

@ Chris- I remember maybe over a decade ago reading a story in the Chicago Trib about an architect who outfitted an old ambulance as his studio. Seems like a great idea.

sameolddoctor, I like and respect you, but your comment reinforces, AGAIN, that women are first perceived as objects not humans. If Alfiya was a good-looking man would you feel the need to tell him so?
This is that very subtle form of sexism that I just can't believe still exists today and so feel compelled to comment on. It's unfair and degrading.

Donna, yes I would feel the same need to tell a good looking man, especially if he posts his profile on modelmayhem. (I know I got a bit creepy there and searched Alifya's name on google). But yes, I would comment on a good looking man as well.

i have two vest pockets in the jacket i am wearing. therefore, i could carry to ipads to the jobsite. if there was a jobsite, that is.

sameolddoctor is hot

Sure, keep telling yourself that, sameolddoctor. That way you don't have to ever face up to the fact that you dehumanized women so casually.

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